tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post3079963889180814711..comments2023-06-24T05:26:22.503-04:00Comments on Groves Honors Philosophy: Blog #49 -Source Code blog has arrivedGeoff Wickershamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07430848929082686290noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-63182056367303381942011-09-27T13:21:46.355-04:002011-09-27T13:21:46.355-04:00I do think the military crossed the line by using ...I do think the military crossed the line by using Captain Stevens' body and mind for the Source Code. I do think that they could have at least respected his wishes and told him the situation. However, they did have good intentions of using his body and mind, to help thousands of people and save many lives. I also think they should have respected his wish when he said he want to die, instead of Goodwin having to sneak to give him his wish. I do not think they should have tried to continue to use his body after he did not want to. They should not have agreed to let him die then reneged on the offer. They discovered many new things and saved many lives but they were unreasonable on some things. At the end of the movie, they show his body in a capsule. He was in a horrible state of being and I do not think they should have kept him like this. I do not think they should have put Captain Stevens' through this. He had to be sent back into Sean Fentress memories repeatedly and hearing his father's voice saying he wanted his son back was not easy for him. In addition, not knowing what he was there to do was unreasonable and I think they could have saved some time if they would have just told him his task before the first trip. They may have been unreasonable but they discovered what the source code could do and possibly discovered an alternate universe. <br />AmberAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-81537210935309776582011-09-26T10:14:15.072-04:002011-09-26T10:14:15.072-04:00#3
Even though when you sign up for the military, ...#3<br />Even though when you sign up for the military, in the contract it states that the government "owns" your body, and your body is their property, I think the military DID cross the line with the use of Capt. Steven's body and mind.In the beginning of the movie, Capt. Steven didn't even know or understand what the source code was or how it worked. He could have at least had the privalege to know what his mission was, and what was going on, where he was at, etc. The fact that his actual brain was used for mission without his permission is unfair. Since he was technically dead, the military could have at least have the deceincy to send his body back home so his family could've had a proper mourning. Not a funeral with just a couple ashes. Even though the whole situation was for the gvreater good of the city and the citizens, he could've been informed on what he was doing in the BEGINNING. Atleast it for a good purpose.<br />Brittney J. 3rd hourAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-87412590605091155852011-09-22T17:05:42.359-04:002011-09-22T17:05:42.359-04:00I believe that the US Military in Source Code was ...I believe that the US Military in Source Code was justified in using Captain Stevens’s body and mind to thwart terrorists. Although Beleaguered Castle — the semi-secret government agency in charge of the Source Code experiment — subjected Stevens to intense psychological stress, their (and Stevens’s) efforts saved millions of innocent civilians from instant death.<br /><br />Simply put, Beleaguered Castle sacrificed one person’s mental comfort to save the lives of millions. I think that this is an excellent trade-off. If I were in control of the situation — as the President, for example — I would definitely use Stevens’s mind to figure out the bomber’s identity. Stevens may feel some temporary distress from the intensity of the situation; however, the human cost of keeping his soul imprisoned would be small compared to the grand payoff of rescuing all the mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, children, and friends in downtown Chicago. Stevens wasn’t even forced to die — and he would have been dead anyways if the military had not recovered his mangled body from the wreckage of his airplane crash in Afghanistan. <br /><br />If Stevens were forced to die to save Chicago, however, things would be much different. (For the sake of philosophy, I will disregard the fact that he wanted to die.) As I mentioned above, I do not think it morally objectionable to put a person through psychological trauma to save many lives, especially if the person is already half-dead like Stevens. But no person should ever be forced to give up his or her own life. (If a person volunteers to give up his or her life to save the lives of others, on the other hand, then that is his or her choice.)Sam Cusimanohttp://samcusimano.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-36793360423105500812011-09-22T13:52:34.945-04:002011-09-22T13:52:34.945-04:00#3
I think the military did cross the line ...#3 <br />I think the military did cross the line with Capt. Stevens because the more trips that he went back and forth, he became more traumatized because if he messed up then, he had to go back on the train and retry his mistake, for example; when he was trying to open the door, he had found a gun, and the employees on the train found him, tazed him, and cuffed him. Capt. Stevens had to go back and redo the assignment 10 times which was plenty of times he did well, I think he was a perfect person to do this assignment, he understood and knew what he had to do. Going back and forth ten times did traumatize because of the amount of suspects there was. I think that Capt. Stevens was a choice for them to use because part of him was alive and the other half was dead. I think after each trip Capt. Stevens became more alert and more sneaky, I think he found out who the bomber was after a couple times because there was so many suspects that looked like the bomber. The bomber was trying to be smart and leave his wallet on the train so people thought he died on the train so he couldn’t be a suspect I think he was pretty sneaky when he was trying to be an innocent person, but Capt. Stevens caught it and didn’t t believe it. Capt Stevens jumped off the train and followed him and saw what was in his van…. The bomb.<br /><br />Angelina E.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-14347965745911407192011-09-22T13:51:09.304-04:002011-09-22T13:51:09.304-04:003.
Captain Stevens would do anything for his coun...3. <br />Captain Stevens would do anything for his country, at least that's how he seems. He asked to go back on the train to try to save the people. He was very dedicated and wanted the best for the people around him. I mean, he even tried to save Christina by trying to get her off the train. He willingly chose to go back in, and do what he pleased. Therefore I don’t think that the military crossed the line by using his body and mind for the program. He signed up to help our country, and he was still doing it by being a part of Source Code. He was already half gone, with only his top part of his body left. His mind was still there, according to Rutledge. Even though Captain Stevens was traumatized, he was already going to die according to his plan. If Captain Stevens didn’t want to do the Source Code and seemed upset all the time then I would think that they were using him, but that wasn’t the case to me. When Rutledge “tortured” him, I think it was kind of a motivation for Captain Stevens. Captain Stevens seemed more and more aware and ready to get the job done every time he went back in. I think it was just more just of a push that Rutledge was giving him. At the end of the movie Captain Stevens was successful, preventing bombs, finding the bomber, and turning him in to Goodwin. Captain Stevens was helping his country, just like he wanted. He was kind of like a helping hand for Source Code and the world. Afterall, he pratically saved the world.<br /><br />-Crystal OropezaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-38652194631503063792011-09-22T13:49:49.986-04:002011-09-22T13:49:49.986-04:00I have chosen to respond to question #4 for this a...I have chosen to respond to question #4 for this assignment.<br /><br /><br />I would agree with the idea that the movie does, in fact, end in a new reality. I think that Source Code has inadvertently found its way into new dimensions, not just short term memory. I agree with this because the movie appeared to offer obvious cues at the end that Capt. Stevens was in a different reality. For example, in this reality, Dr. Rutledge was still talking about how great Source Code is going to be once he’s able to use it, and Goodwin is confused, surprised, and delighted by Sean Fentress’ email. <br /><br /><br />It’s hard to say whether the shift in realities was caused by Stevens’ determination or the simple mathematics of Source Code. Perhaps there was a gap in the original algorithm that Dr. Rutledge missed. Perhaps there was a sort of divide-by-zero effect that no one was expecting—nobody died at all, so the new dimension was created, existing parallel to the original one. Or maybe Stevens was just so determined to live that he somehow pushed past the eight minutes. It’s sort of like asking “did you slap me?” and someone responding with “no, your face hit my palm.” Silly as it sounds, it could go either way.<br /><br /><br />I suppose my only question for the ending is this: what happened to the original Sean Fentress? If he never died in the new reality, then who was he before? What happened to him once Stevens took on his body? Did he die at an earlier time in this new dimension? How was Source Code able to access him if Source Code is supposed to reassign the last eight minutes of someone’s life, and in this reality, there is not eight minutes (at least not that day.)<br /><br />Leah S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-21262692854349236992011-09-22T13:45:48.992-04:002011-09-22T13:45:48.992-04:00wjbnf'oh'2erfh2e'fh'heq'dughd&...wjbnf'oh'2erfh2e'fh'heq'dughd'u'we1dfh2rugh2[d8234y [doip n]r94u f'2e9<br /><br />Crystal O.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-20560279121364164412011-09-22T13:44:47.479-04:002011-09-22T13:44:47.479-04:003. I definitely think the military crossed the lin...3. I definitely think the military crossed the line in regards of using Captian Colter's mind and body for the source code without his pernission. I tink that since they had a way of communication with him, and they didn't ask him for permission, that it was a direct violation of his basic civil rights. I think that he should have been given a say in whether or not he wanted to stay partially alive and go into the source code, or to die. I constantly found myself sympathizing with Captian Colter, because I would be extremely upset if this had happened to me. To have absolutely no say in whether or not I wanted to go through this over and over again would be almost like torture. Even though while in the source code, he didnt actually ever die or get hurt in "real life," he still had to go through the pain of dying, or getting shot. I would be so upset. I think the worst part about it was that he couldn't control when he went into the source code. I was nearly infuriated when Dr. Rutledge told Goodwin to clear his memory so he could go back in and fix something else against his will. I couldn't believe that he had the audacity to just completely clear Colter's memory to torture him again. I highly doubt that Rutledge put himself in Captian Colter's shoes to think about what he went through.I felt really bad for th Captian throughout a lot of the movie.<br />Patrice BellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-43001356434274342472011-09-22T11:35:13.491-04:002011-09-22T11:35:13.491-04:00I choose question #3 and what I think is that how ...I choose question #3 and what I think is that how can a person have the heart to treat another human with no care. When Steven woke up he had no idea where he was. When he finally finds out who he is and what is he doing he does his job. What was so unfair is after everything that he had done for the world, or should I say for the heartless military people, the only thing he wanted in return was just to die. The guy in charge didn't care at all about what Steven wanted. The guy in charge just wanted to keep him because he was afraid that the invention would not work on other humans. What the guy in charge also did that I did not like was use Capt. Steven's weak points to get him do whatever he had his mind set up to. I think that the military this time took it a little too far. Yes, everyone would be happy if they could go back in time and change something bad that is going to happened but it is not nice to use a human as a machine. Imagine that you have eight minutes to live and you are helping the world and the only thing that you know is that you are almost dead but you are attached to a machine and you can not do what you desire because you have n control over your body. And when you finally complete your job you still can’t have the one thing you want, to die. That is not fair to anyone and I think that the military took this one too far for the above reasons. <br /><br />simayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-16543449472610817522011-09-21T22:28:58.617-04:002011-09-21T22:28:58.617-04:00Response 1.
I think that Source Code related to Pl...Response 1.<br />I think that Source Code related to Platos Cave allegory very strongly, however, I think that was a complete coincidence. In the movie, Captain Stevens was trapped in a capsule and forced to enter an alternate reality. He went back and forth, learning more and more with each trip, but he gets killed by the people in the train. This is similar to Platos allegory because Platos view of life was that people are strapped down in a dark cave, sort of like the capsule. If they can find enlightenment, then they will escape to see the light, and come back and get killed by thier friends while trying to rescue them from the dark, or ignorence, because they were rocking the boat. <br />The movie would be accurate though, if Captain Stevens found some sort of truth or came to appreciate life more from the source code, which would be like the sunlight. He would then come back to the real world and try to reason with them, but then they kill him, which is what happens in the cave. Instead he is killed in the source code (and in real life, sort of but that is another part) which in this case is the sunlight, which dosnt correlate with Platos analogy. If the director wanted made the movie like Platos analogy, there would be no happy ending (Captain Stevens comes to live in the source code) but unfortunetly this was a hollywood movie and there was no deeper meaning.Harry Ashbaughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01847704419782555306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-73435324299352119992011-09-21T19:13:30.884-04:002011-09-21T19:13:30.884-04:00Question 4-source code blog
I think that the end o...Question 4-source code blog<br />I think that the end of the movie did create a new parallel universe. In the beginning the doctor and the military lady talked about how it was not time travel, it was time reassignment. Since it could not be time travel, then how at the end was the day reset to how it was before they used the source code. There are many other reasons why there is a new universe. The train attack was stopped unlike it was in the original universe. The captain is now in Ross’ body as himself. The way that I thought about it clearly is to just walk through it. He went into the source code to save the people. It worked and the bomb never blew up. When they pulled the plug, it was not killing him inside the source code; it was killing him on the outside so he stayed in. Therefore since the source code existed and it held all the personalities and all the people in the world, it is a new universe. In order to reassign the time properly to stop the bombing. You need the world to be the same. The captain could have traveled anywhere in the world and the people would have been doing what they normally would. So now in this universe, Captain Stevens will figure out the next natural disaster. Since we have seen his persona and he basically needs to save the people, every time he won’t die in the source code and the military lady will pull the plug. This will leave him in and create another universe. Constantly making almost parallel universes forever.<br />David Bellefleur 5th hourDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05910046278086238253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-67581425767356590802011-09-21T16:30:25.997-04:002011-09-21T16:30:25.997-04:00#4
Through out the movie Source Code Capitan Colte...#4<br />Through out the movie Source Code Capitan Colter Stevens is sent back and forth through the source code many times. In between these missions of varying success, we learn that the source code allows a person (Capt. Stevens) to relive the last eight minutes of someone else’s life (Sean Fentress). We are also led to believe that the source code is like a video game, with amazing graphics of course. The Source Code seems to be a computer program where you can have an infinite amount of detail in the last eight minutes of a person’s life, places they had not been and may never have been are clear as day, and only when you try to get out of the source code or try to change your “ending”, you will inevitably either die or the Source code will break down. The fact that Capt. Stevens is still alive as Sean Fentress after the source code is terminated (the end of eight minutes) and after his body and mind are taken off of life support and his body dies his new reality as a teacher continues, and possibly his consciousness is transferred to this alternate timeline. If the source code were just a video game, with the greatest possible incentive for not dying you could possibly have (besides a metric ton of cash), Stevens would have been “terminated” with his body and the source code. Now, if we look at what happens when Dr. Rutledge tries to explain the source code, he tries to avoid describing it in any real detail and tries to push it aside as “quantum mechanics” almost as if he more discovered it rather than invented it. Because the source code is used so many times it very well could have made a new time stream through quantum mechanics, or there could be a me right now that actually got this in before class started, we may never really know. But there seems to be a different time stream at the end of the film. Capitan Stevens “determinism”, that seemed mostly forced on him by our friendly neighborhood secret time reassignment bureau, may have caused enough turbulence in our time stream to make it branch off into an alternate reality. <br /><br />It seems that the source code is not so much time reassignment, so much as it is time stream manipulation.SimonTraskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05973852717216091200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-50439645356739408462011-09-21T15:34:59.822-04:002011-09-21T15:34:59.822-04:00Alan Panley
In the ending of the movie Goodwin re...Alan Panley <br />In the ending of the movie Goodwin receives an email from Captain Stevens. Rutledge has already explained to Captain Stevens that anything you do inside the source code cannot affect everyday or life or reality. Since Goodwin received the text message that Stevens sent while in the alternate reality, Goodwin must also be in the alternate reality. This boggles my mind because it brings up the question "are we in reality." If an alternate universe is created every-time we make a decision, then there are millions of alternate realities created every second. By itching your nose, you inadvertently create an alternate reality where this did not happen. Using this logic, we can assume that there are infinitely many alternate universe and the chance that we are in the real reality is slim to none. This makes me wonder how we know if anything is real. For all we now we could be an alternate reality where an astroid did hit the earth, and in reality dinos still exist. But if the astroid did not wipe out the dinosaurs then that means the human race was never born and there is no such thing as people. <br /><br /> I think fate did play a role in the movie Source Code. In the transition scenes between returning from the parallel universe and entering the capsule, Stevens could see glimpses of himself in the future. The reason I believe fate had to do with Captain Steven's ending is because as he gets closer and closer to completing his mission and saving the people on the train, the visions and flash backs became longer and more clear. When stevens was first sent into the Source Code, the scenes were short and unclear, but as Stevens began escape the cave and reach enlightenment the visions became more clear and lasted longer. In a way this fits Plato's Cave theme. Stevens escapes the pod just as Plato's people escaped the cave. And the motive was to find his fate ( Plato's people found enlightenment). At the beginning it was hard to see his fate and as he exited his cave (Pod) he saw the sun (fate) and was eventually killed for it.Alan Panleyhttp://phatpandaphilosophy.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-3332078462360004192011-09-21T12:00:14.983-04:002011-09-21T12:00:14.983-04:00Claire LaSota
#4
In the end of the movie I believe...Claire LaSota<br />#4<br />In the end of the movie I believe that there was a new reality created. There was still the one that was there in the beginning of the movie, with Goodwin and Rutledge and then there was after the train should have blown up, where sean and christina are walking in Chicago. Once Colter started to develope feelings for the other passengers on the train he strated to think more about saving them rather than just catching the bomber and stoping the bomb. Every action that Colter did that was not completed in the original created a part of the new reality that was only for the passengers on that train. Every time that colter went into the source code he added a little bit to the reality increasing their chance of living. And in colters last trip into the source code when he was successful in catching the bomber and saving the passengers he fully created the new reality was completed and every though it is different from the reality from the beginning of the movie, they are related, whatever happens in the one of them affects the other, they still share ties between them. And they can communicate between each other as it was shown when Colter sent Goodwin an email from the train.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-90763634363980983402011-09-21T09:23:29.965-04:002011-09-21T09:23:29.965-04:00Asia Ross
#2: I think fate played a big role and ...Asia Ross<br /><br />#2: I think fate played a big role and it's very apparent in the ending. Maybe he died because he was supposed to save all the people who would've died in the bus bombing. I also believe he came back as Sean so that he and Christina could be together. The scenes that showed these examples of fate were when try saw the silver egg and the part where he sent Goodwin her a message. <br />To me, the point of the movie is, if something is meant to be it will be! <br />Goodwin was supposed to do what she did and it was all meant for them to use Stevens body to help save millions, which ended up happening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-66390182807433593442011-09-21T08:13:13.854-04:002011-09-21T08:13:13.854-04:004. Is the ending a new "movie reality" ...4. Is the ending a new "movie reality" (for lack of a better term)? Why or why not? Is it possible that Stevens' determination somehow merged the alternate universe with the movie's original reality?<br /> I believe the ending is a new "movie reality" because the events resemble a time-line where the teacher (don't remember his name) stopped the anarchist cold, completely denying his attempt to "remake the world". I don't really believe that any one man's determination could actually break down the barrier between parallel universes. However I do believe that the instant Captain Stevens decided that he could and was going to save everyone that was on that train, as he contemplated the idea, the alternate universe was created. In the end, within the Source Code, he took the place of the teacher and, as he had no place to return to in the "real world", he was allowed to remain within said parallel universe.<br /> Of course, there is always the alternative that the Source Code program was much more complex than what Rutledge let on, regardless of whethere he was aware of it or not and was capable of simulating not only the events that originally occurred but seemingly allowing for random occurrences, including how Stevens was capable of completely affecting everything that happened, finding the killer even though the teacher didn't know who it was. If Rutledge didn't exactly know the extent of his program, then it would seem to suggest a Singularity, an AI which is more intelligent and creative than a human being and capable of upgrading itself. However, Occam's Razor would seem to suggest that this is even more unlikely than the previous hypothesis.Alex Pisanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04348244981697512952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-3997072528194785492011-09-21T07:11:13.373-04:002011-09-21T07:11:13.373-04:00Jasmine Berger
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The ending of the movie was not...Jasmine Berger <br />#4<br />The ending of the movie was not a new reality but a combination of the dual realities that existed throughout the film. In the beginning of the film Goodwin and Rutledge were intent on putting Captain Stevens into the source code to figure out who bombed the train and where the next bomb was going to be set off. But after Stevens’ final time in the source code, in which he stopped the bomb and saved all who were on the train he ultimately changed to future. By changing the past in any way it will affect the future. Because Steven’s captured the bomber, there was no train explosion, and he was never put into the source code as shown in the last scenes of the movie. In the end of the movie Rutledge is heard talking about a train bombing attempt that was stopped, which proves that Stevens changed reality, through changing the past. Also the text that Goodwin receives is further proof that the two realities merged as one, because if there were two entirely separate realities people from alternate realities would have no methods to communicate with each other. But the very fact that she could receive a text from Stevens when he was in the source code goes to show that the two realities were merged. <br />I think when Stevens’ went back into the source code for the final time and changed the outcome it reset the day of the bombing, so that no one would have any recollection of the day and just relieve it a second time in its new form because Stevens’ had changed how the day would play out by stopping the bombing.Jasminehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695962934132544206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-82606066414501604872011-09-21T00:01:53.475-04:002011-09-21T00:01:53.475-04:00I wouldn’t call the ending a new “movie reality”, ...I wouldn’t call the ending a new “movie reality”, I would call it more of an “alternate movie reality”. Mainly, because I don’t think one soul could take over a body and kick the other soul out. For this reason, I assume Captain Stevens is just trapped in the Source Code which will basically just be a simulation. To explain Goodwin’s appearance in the end, I see the Source Code is like a map, when you get away from where you’re supposed to be and what you’re supposed to be (like Captain Stevens does to save everyone on the train), you can see everything “simulated” from reality where the Source Code was used. In reality, the train still blew up and everyone died, and that can’t be changed, what’s done is done. Although when Captain Stevens saved everyone in the Source Code, he made it so the simulation could keep going, so I guess you could call it an alternate movie reality.<br /><br />No, it’s not possible. I just don’t think there’s anyway, even theoretically, to merge a reality with an alternate reality. They are to separate things that cannot be combined. They may interact with each other or cross paths, but never merge. All Captain Stevens did was make the alternate reality interact with the reality. And that interaction changed the outcome in reality (no second bombing), and changed the outcome in the alternate reality (Captain Stevens living on in the Source Code, Goodwin not getting in trouble, everyone on the train is saved).Jack Arvai 3rd hournoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-68480977051240642202011-09-20T23:52:14.176-04:002011-09-20T23:52:14.176-04:00Question #4
Is the ending a new "movie realit...Question #4<br />Is the ending a new "movie reality" (for lack of a better term)? Why or why not? Is it possible that Stevens' determination somehow merged the alternate universe with the movie's original reality? <br /><br />I dont think the reality that we witnessed at the end of the movie was a whole new reality more like what the world would have been like if things would have gone right. more and alternate universe as opposed to a new reality its not really new it just took a different path than the one we were watching in the beginning. I think this world was there for as long as the other one we just weren't watching it.<br /><br />I think that his determination changed that universe slightly just for the simple fact that Cap. Stevens was in someone else's body but other than that i dont think he did much of anything because whether or not he saved those people somewhere they would have been saved either way because that is just the path that their universe took as opposed to the one we were watching.In a way i think he did connect two different universes just because when he sent the text he communicated with Goodwin which i what i think determines whether or not two universes had an interaction. sorry to say but him saving the people on the train meant nothing and him calling his father meant nothing because once he did it it was written into history.T and C Traininghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09560639453134532393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-14766471174656072432011-09-20T23:42:19.677-04:002011-09-20T23:42:19.677-04:00I believe that fate played a huge role in the film...I believe that fate played a huge role in the film. I think that it tied into the images that Stevens saw as he returned to the Source Code as well as the outcome of the mission. If fate hadn't have played a role at all, I don't think that Stevens would have been able to save the passengers on the train and he also wouldn't have ended up with Christina in the end. In a way, fate chose Stevens to be a part of the source code and ultimately meet Christina. I feel that Stevens met an untimely demise which was changed through fate. He was allowed to finish living his life, even through it was as another person. Along with fate, I feel that freewill and Stevens personal morals also aided in the outcome. Any other person may not have begged Goodwin to let them go back in the Source Code, but Stevens believed that there was a way to save the passengers on the train and knew that he had to find a way to do it. I feel that it was fate subconsciously telling him that he had to go back in and ultimately achieve his intended fate.<br />Khadijah HowellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-41620568026324069822011-09-20T23:06:01.107-04:002011-09-20T23:06:01.107-04:00Fate played a massive role in this movie. While he...Fate played a massive role in this movie. While he was traveling through the source code, he continuously saw the image of that famous mirror thingie in Chicago, and BAM that's where he ends up. He hadn’t been to that sculpture or seen Christina before, and he was still having “flashbacks” of it. The movie obviously has a thing for parallel universes, but with all of the flashbacks of Chicago, one begins to wonder if these universes are controlled by fate. So no matter what your decision is, the ending is inevitable. He continuously saw the end scene of his final journey into the source code so was that might have been fated all along. I would say that he was just seeing alternate endings, but what he saw in those moments were either past events or the Chicago scene.<br /> <br />Sure, he had a lot of determination and chose to do what he wanted, or did he? He used his free will to walk headfirst into his destiny. This philosophy (I must sound really intelligent typing that word) says that free will is an illusion, and I think the movie follows that argument. See, Captain Stevens had the free will to exit the train and choose that one guy to pursue. What happened was that he ended up dying because he “coincidentally” fell into the path of an oncoming train that was heading towards him at that exact minute in the general time frame that he didn’t stop the train from exploding. That’s a little too in place for me to believe it was a coincidence. Just saying.Emily Novickhttp://dandruff-philosophy.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-16304040324402668412011-09-20T22:54:52.330-04:002011-09-20T22:54:52.330-04:00*Jacob Seid
In answer to number four, I think tha...*Jacob Seid<br /><br />In answer to number four, I think that “movie reality” is much dependent on the viewer. As a viewer, I can see two sides, I can see that what Captain Stevens wanted, he got out from the source code. Even though he is dead, it appears he is living his dreams. Although we do not know what it is like to be dead, it is up for speculation to what really happens. Do we continue on with our lives as we normally would have? If so would we be in the same state of mind and physical appearance? What Stevens wanted-- even when dead, was to fall in love with Christina and go for coffee. Even if he physically was dead, what he wanted before he died, or whatever he was doing while he was dead (no one really knows), was real to him. So yes, I think that it was a new movie reality. If someone was filming a sequel to this story, it could very much be a reality. To others, it may not be a reality because they are not in the same situation. Maybe they could be living in their own moment creating their own unique reality. I think that Stevens’ determination did merge his alternate universe with the original reality because he-- in a way-- followed his dreams. Like when people dream and are told to follow those dreams (which are sometimes very real and obtainable in one’s head), although not part of reality at the time, can be made into life’s reality by pursuing the tasks which will make the dream or dreams come true. Very difficult concept to explain. Hopefully I kinda got it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-57574179180986676882011-09-20T22:54:38.099-04:002011-09-20T22:54:38.099-04:00Oran Lieberman 3rd Hour
Question 1
The directors a...Oran Lieberman 3rd Hour<br />Question 1<br />The directors and writers could have changed this movie to make it more like Plato's allegory of the cave. This is because in Plato's allegory of the cave, there are 5 stages. The first stage is the state of being trapped inside the cave, this relates to when Cpt. Stevens was strapped in. The next step is leaving the cage and the obstacles that come with it. This occurs as Stevens breaks free of being strapped in, and begins to come closer to getting the bomber. The third step is when one of the "cavemen" who made this journey will see whats outside the cave. In the movie this never happens. The director may have made an attempt of this by showing that Stevens lives after the 8 minutes when the bomb explodes while he is off the train; even though he only lived briefly after the 8 minutes, nevertheless he lives on. If this is the directors attempt then it is not clarified because the end of the movie shows Stevens taking a blind leap into the unknown as his life support is cut off. Having him either break free of his capsule entirely or having him live longer after the explosion would've established the completion of Plato's allegory of the cave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-62261062700085233942011-09-20T22:52:53.135-04:002011-09-20T22:52:53.135-04:00When you sign up to serve your country you are sig...When you sign up to serve your country you are signing up to fight, save lives, and basically sacrifice yourself for the majority. You must give your all and do exactly what your commanded, and Capt. Stevens was commanded to go into the source code and find the bomber. The military did not cross the line with the use of his mind and body, because they only really used a part of his brain, everything else he created in his head. They were the ones keeping him alive with life support. Without the military he would have died and even if he would have survived he wouldn’t have been happy with less than half a body and being partially brain dead. The military tried to avert all question he ask, never told him things that weren’t true, and debriefed when needed. But, would you have continued without putting your own emotions in it if they told you straight off the back that you’re only alive because you’re on life support, part of your brain works and half of your body has been mutilated? The military didn’t have time to do that then get him back on task because millions of people who weren’t on life support or practically brain dead were in danger. Think about it, the source code is not worse than being in the military in Afghanistan, if anything it’s almost the same either way you’re watching innocent people died, your trying to find a terrorist, and trying to save your home country. If you’re fighting for your country in Afghanistan you can’t stop in the middle of a battle and ask questions, you can’t stop and beg to go back home, this is what you signed up for when you joined the military so it’s your duty to do it no matter what. <br /><br />(Alexis T)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6648222277989270046.post-57623879102457343322011-09-20T22:21:21.478-04:002011-09-20T22:21:21.478-04:00(3) Although their intentions were good, I think t...(3) Although their intentions were good, I think the military crossed the line with the use of Captain Steven's body - not because they had used his body up to a specific point physically or for too long of a time, but rather because he became aware of his situation. You never know what you're missing until you get a little taste of it, but once you take a taste you never want to go back. Call it blissfully unaware before, but now, you're longing for what you can't have and taunting you with it seems wrong. <br /><br />I think because Captain Steven's in a similar position. If the Source Code is all he knows, or remembers at least, I think that he would be happy serving his country. We get the idea that he signed up for something that would place him in Source Code, yet I'm sure if he knew what he was signing up for exactly there would be an entirely different story. Nonetheless, Stevens doesn't realize what he is going through "trip" after "trip," and moving through bomb after bomb doesn't appear to hurt him physically, or if it does his desire to complete his mission over-rides his pain. Once he learns of his situation though, and realizes he cannot get out, his emotions start to get tampered with. It isn't until he becomes unhappy that the military begins to cross the line, because now they are pushing his boundaries and forcing him to follow command when he wants out. Another quote this situation reminds me of is, "Ignorance is key."Elyse Dnoreply@blogger.com